It's not really a matter of hand-wringing.

Violence and death is always bad, but as the cause of so much death and violence Zarqawi deserves no sympathy. I feel uncomfortable at the notion of celebrating death; I am reminded of David Blunkett's remarks on Harold Shipman's suicide. There just seems to be something tasteless at celebrating the death of anyone.

That said, Zarqawi was a blight on the lives of millions and would never have peacefully given up his campaign. It seems there was no other way and, given that it appears that no civilians were killed along with him, I think I can permit myself a small moment of relief at his death.

My post was made after the initial reports were coming in, and my understanding was that he was "killed in combat". From having seen the footage of the air strike on his (un)safe house, it seems that perhaps he could have been arrested instead.

If arrest was good enough for Saddam, why not for Zarqawi? I can think of some explanations of why they chose that option, but none of them seem particularly satisfying.

You might not wring your hands, but the fact that the rule of law has been ignored is deporable - Saddam Hussein was arrested and yet he has certainly killed more people.
Similarly, the Nazis were put on trial, not killed when they were killed.

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Mr Zarqawi, a murderous Islamist bully, deserves little sympathy.

Nonethelsss, however repellent Zarqawi might have been (and I agree that he was a very bad man) he was nonetheless entitled to due process (ie, arrest, trial and disposal by the internationally recognised Iraqi government).

Fred West, Harold Shipman and Ian Huntley likewise attracted little public sympathy, but I do not recall even "The Sun" calling for their summary execution.

Yes, Zarqawi and his kind seek to establish a religious dictatorship which would be a nightmare the like of which the world has rarely seen.

But don't be deluded into thinking that the Americans care two hoots for democracy and human rights. Bush and his puppet-masters are in Iraq because the US economic elite wishes to help itself to Iraq's oil. After all, the very same people are attempting to topple a democratically elected government in Venezuela, and for exactly the same reason. The Americans are quite happy to do business with dictators and Islamic fundamentalists when it suits their interests (as they did with Saddam Hussein and the Taliban).

Ultimately, the only way to defeat religious fanatics is to persuade those tempted to support them that the religions which they seek to impose are false. And I don't know quite how we are going to do that. From the days of Voltaire and Thomas Paine it has taken 200 years to deprogramme Christians. Moslems continue to reside in the intellectual Dark Ages, as far as I can see.

What we do is we follow the rules of public international law.

Recall that the ECHR held that Britain breached the right to life of the two IRA combatants shot preemptively in Gibraltar.

The IRA, like Al-Qaeda, is a terrorist group motivated in part by religion which at the time was in the business of killing British people.

The correct way to deal with the IRA was to catch them and bring them to justice. The wrong way was to exact extra-judicial punishments.

Likewise, Zarqawi and his kind should be treated as any other criminal - capture them if you can, but kill them where arrest is not reasonably possible (ie, in a shoot-out, or where one of them is about to blow himself up in a public place, etc).

The whole debate reeks of hypocrisy, of course. The American and Israeli military are "goody" killers, Al-Qaeda and the Iraqi insurgency are "baddy" killers. When, in reality, the morals of all sides are very deeply flawed.

Let us not forget that the CIA and Pentagon actually allowed Al-Qaeda to attack the world Trade Centre (even to the extent of mining the towers the previous week to ensure they collapsed), in order to make the so-called "war on Terror" politically possible.

An elite as evil and corrupt as that presided over by the likes of Cheney and Rumsfeld is only one or two degrees better than Al-Qaeda. The latter seeks to impose a religious dictatorship, the former is well on the way to turning us into robots through the use of implants and surveillance.

Simon, we know that one of the things we stand for is the rule of law. This gives everyone the right to a fair trial, and that right has been denied to Al-Zarqawi. At the point he was killed, he was not engaged in combat and therefore attempts should have been made to capture him.

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"The idea that he was not engaged in combat is as silly as the proposition that when soldiers in the field take a comfort break they are not considered to be combatants."

And any soldier will tell you that your rifle goes with you at all times ... especially when you're off taking an "Eartha"

Anon, are you Mark Oaten?

Angus, please, whatever I may or may not think about you I have at no time used the word "nutter" to describe you, so far from it being a cheap-shot it is a shot entirely of your own invention.

Firstly he tries to smear me as a "nutter" because I take the view that certain US authorities colluded with Al-Qaeda in their attack on the World Trade Centre. A very cheap shot indeed, and rich coming from someone who believes that Palestine was given to the Jews by God.

This really is a slur - I have never argued (nor do I believe) that Israel was created as a result of anything to do with God.

As for being an unrepentant apologist for American Foreign Policy - I support policies which I think are worthy of support. In the case of Zarqawi's death - you are quite right, I am in agreement.

Angus, I do not believe that Palestine was given "to the Jews by God" (sic). I think it is unlikely that anyone will accuse of me anti-semitism for not believing in the literal truth of the Bible, or sharing the religious views of some Jews.

I have never ever tried to smear you as a "nutter", as matter of absolute fact. It was you who introduced the word "nutter" into this increasingly bizarre exchange.

As for your comments about 9/11, I have absolutely no explanation for any of your conspiratorial allegations, all of which sound a bit unbelievable to me.

Oh, and if the woman who walked through 2,500 degrees C is "unbelievable", she was actually photographed on the 94th floor standing in the hole made by the port engine. Then there is the strange case of the aviation fuel which defies gravity. And the firemen who told their chiefs that the fire in the South Tower could be extinguished easily. Totally "unbelievable", naturally.

Women walking through fire, alleged mysterious telephone conversations between members of the Bush administration, why didn't the US airforce shoot down the planes, and aviation fuel defying gravity. Oh dear. We seem to have reached the 'Has the US government ever had contact with Aliens?' stage of this discussion.
There always seems to be a group of budding Agent Mulders that crop up after every extraordinary event offering their wacky theories. It's amusing to poke fun at the logical contortions they have to go through in order to justify their beliefs, but the problem with all these attempts to mystify the event and thereby play down the role played by the guilty parties in the attack on the World Trade Centre is that while we rationally analyse them, they are swallowed hook line and sinker by the public in the Arab world who are desperate to believe that somehow 'The Jews' were involved in destroying the towers - and incidently bumping off a fair few of their own people.
From the way I see it, we have a simple set of choices; we can believe that terrorists inspired by Islam were responsible for destroying what they saw as symbols of US capitalist tyranny, or we can believe that a vast, complex, expensive and ultimately counterproductive massacre of their own citizens was conducted by US NeoCons and the Isrealis as an excuse to oppress Arabs.
Dude, Where's My Theory?

I hope you don't mean this one! I can't speak for our sanity levels, but I take umbridge if you're having a go at my web design!

On a more serious note, I've made a follow-up post on this subject.

I know you weren't, but I couldn't resist the joke. I must admit, I've seen a fair few of those conspiracy theory sites myself and I absolutely agree about the nature of their content. What starts off sounding like a plausible disagreement with established facts degenerates into ranting, scapegoating nonsense.

Doubtless there are many unknown details about 9/11, things we will never know or understand fully. But to suggest that there is a conspiratorial hand behind every event is plainly absurd.

And for the benefit of David Smith.

I have never obtained any information about 9/11 from the source he quotes. In fact, I have never heard of it.

For the record, it was obvious to me from the day that the Towers were hit that the "burning aviation fuel melting steel" theory was complete hokum. And I was also suspicious of the claim that 90% of the North Tower could no longer support the top 10%, which it had happily supported for 30 years.

But I am obviously a "nutter" for pointing these things out. Just like the little boy who said that the Emperor wasn't wearing any clothes.

Ah, D-Day. An event about which Hitler knew little before it happened, although he was clearly expecting an invasion of Western Europe from the UK. After D-Day, of course, it became extremely difficult for the Allies to keep their conspiracy secret, what with there being several massive armies moving through France. Even Hitler was forced to see the truth in the end.

Although Churchill and Roosevelt tried to maintain the fiction that the invasion of Europe in 1944 was conducted by a group of university-educated Saudis being directed by religious fanatics hiding in caves, in the end the lie became unsustainable, and various independent-minded dissidents, who refused to be cowed by the oppressive international consensus, revealed that there were too many inconsistencies in the "official" story for it to be plausible that D-Day was not sanctioned at the highest level of government. In the end, irrefutable proof that the Allies were implicated was provided when the Germans captured someone in US Army uniform at the Battle of the Bulge.

The Manhattan project, too. Complete secret. Nobody ever came clean. Even after two atomic bombs were exploded over Japan, nobody ever heard of it. Amazing, when you think about it, that the general public still believes that Hiroshima just exploded of its own accord. Sheep, they are, sheep. Cover-up, if you ask me. That Harry Truman, eh? Or Harry Falseman, as I like to call him.

The first time that Angus J. Huck gets called a nutter is when he refers to himself as one. A self smear. Unless Huck can read minds, he couldn't possibly know that people think he has some kangaroos loose in the top paddock. Are you a reader Huck?

"And I was also suspicious of the claim that 90% of the North Tower could no longer support the top 10%, which it had happily supported for 30 years."

Well, Angus, it might have something to do with the fact that for the first time in 30 years 90% of the North Tower was now supporting a top 10% that included a commercial passenger jetplane, and fire was raging throughout the building. But hey, if you want to believe that it's more realistic that donald rumsfeld was sitting in a car across the road pressing down one of those plunger explosive devices they use to blow up buildings, I guess that's your right.

Has it also escaped your notice that, as a trigger for a war on terror, this was massively overdoing it? You seem to accept that Al Qaeda flew the planes into the building, but you believe that the US failed to act to prevent them AND set about making sure that the buildings would collapse. I have to therefore ask - would terrorists crashing planes into the World Trade Centre, the Pentagon, and the White House (if they'd succeeded) not be enough of a trigger for you? Do you genuinely believe it would not have been enough of a trigger for the rest of the US populace to agree to war?

(note: I do NOT believe the US government, or anyone else, colluded with Al Qaeda to 'allow' the attacks to take place in order to launch a war on terror.)

Ok time for some evidence, from a collection of academics.
You request evidence OK I have supplied some do your self the service of informing yourself.

The Thermite or Thermate which cuts and instantly melts steel gurders
Thermate has had Sulphur added and destroys steel in an instant. The Head of security at the WTC leading up to the attack was Marvin Bush. The charges were placed in advance of the planned crashing in to the buildings. It was pure theatre designed to eulagise the US people to Bomb a load of goat herders.

Dont tell me the the they are not capable of this. 200 million dead at the hands of the Americans. After the end of the second world war the Russians informed the US that they had 22,000 US servicemen from prison camps. The US administration said to the Russians KEEP THEM.

The Russians used them as slave labour and for medical experiments

The globallist see us as slaves and are currently trying to get us all in to the global id system. Back to the science lesson.

Aviation fuel burns at a maximum tempeture of 1800 degrees, steel gurders a metre thick and all steel melts between 2800 and 3000 degrees. Most of the aviation fuel exploded out side the buildings as the footage shows. Second,Withing 40 minutes of the attack we have all claerly seen the pictures of the people in the gaping wounds of the building waving for help.

So it was not that hot was it?

A thermite reaction (a type of aluminothermic reaction) is one in which aluminium metal is oxidized by the oxide of another metal, most commonly iron oxide. The name thermite is also used to refer to a mixture of two such chemicals. The products are aluminium oxide, free elemental iron, and a large amount of heat. The reactants are commonly powdered and mixed with a binder to keep the material solid and prevent separation.

Contents [hide]
1 Types
2 Challenges Of Igniting Thermite
3 Safety
4 Commercial & Industrial Uses
5 Military Uses
6 History
7 See also
8 External links

Types

A thermite reaction taking place on a cast iron skillet.Black or blue iron oxide (Fe3O4) produced by oxidizing iron in an oxygen rich environment under high heat, is the most commonly used thermite oxidizing agent because it is inexpensive and easily produced. Red iron oxide (Fe2O3, commonly known as rust) can also be used to make thermite but yields a less energetic reaction. Other oxides are occasionally used, such as in manganese thermite and chromium thermite, but only for highly specialized purposes. Both examples use aluminium as the reactive metal.

In principle, the aluminium could also be replaced by any other reactive metal. However this is very rarely done because the properties of aluminium are ideal for this reaction. For one thing, it is by far the cheapest of the highly reactive metals. Also, many other possible candidates do not form a passivation layer as aluminium does, and consequently are much more dangerous to handle. For the purposes of this reaction the most important properties of aluminium are its relatively low melting point (660 °C, 1221 °F) and very high boiling point (2519°C, 4566°F). A low melting point means that it is easy to melt the metal, so that the reaction can occur mainly in the liquid phase (or rather, where the solid oxide particles meet the liquid metal) and thus proceeds fairly quickly. On the other hand, a high boiling point enables the reaction to reach very high temperatures, since several processes (such as loss of the fuel, and the heat it carries, as it boils away) would tend to limit the maximum temperature to just below the boiling point. This 1900 Kelvin range for the liquid phase is quite broad for any common metals (e.g. iron and copper have a liquid phase of respectively 1320 and 1477 K), but is especially unusual among the highly reactive metals (c.f. magnesium and sodium, respectively 440 and 785 K)

Although the reactants are stable at room temperature, when they are exposed to sufficient heat to ignite they burn with an extremely intense exothermic reaction. The products emerge as liquids due to the high temperatures reached (with iron (III) oxide, up to 2500°C (4500°F)� although the actual temperature reached depends on how quickly heat can escape to the surrounding environment. Thermite contains its own supply of oxygen, and does not require any external source such as air. Consequently, it cannot be smothered and may ignite in any environment, given sufficient initial heat. It will burn well while wet and cannot be extinguished with water. Small amounts of water will boil before reaching the reaction. If thermite is ignited underwater, the molten iron produced will extract oxygen from water and generate hydrogen gas in a single-replacement reaction. This gas may, in turn, burn by combining with oxygen in the air.

Challenges Of Igniting Thermite
Conventional Thermite reactions require very high temperatures for initiation. These cannot be reached with conventional black-powder fuses, nitrocellulose rods, detonators, or other common igniting substances. Even when the thermite is hot enough to glow bright red, it will not ignite - it must be at or near white-hot to initiate the reaction. It is possible to start the reaction using a propane torch if done right, but of course this should never be attempted for safety reasons.

Often, strips of magnesium metal are used as fuses. Magnesium burns at approximately the temperature at which thermite reacts - around 4000 °F. This method is notoroiously unreliable; magnesium itself is hard to ignite, and in windy or wet conditions the strip may be extinguished. Also, magnesium strips do not contain their own oxygen source, and so ignition cannot occur through a small hole. A significant danger of magnesium ignition is the fact that the metal is an excellent conductor of heat; heating one end of the ribbon may cause the other end to transfer enough heat to the thermite to cause premature ignition. Despite these issues, magnesium ignition remains popular amongst amateur thermite users.

The reaction between potassium permanganate and glycerine is used as an alternative to the inferior magnesium method. When these two substances mix, a spontaneous reaction will begin, slowly increasing the temperature of the mixture until flames are produced. The heat released by the oxidation of glycerine is sufficient to initiate a thermite reaction. However, this method can also be unreliable and the delay between mixing and ignition can vary greatly due to factors such as particle size and ambient temperature.

A mixture of potassium chlorate and peanut butter is highly effective; it can be produced by kneading a ball of peanut butter in a dish of chlorate until the ball barely sticks together. The resulting clay-like material can be ignited with a common fuse and will burn with enough intensity to ignite thermite. It contains its own oxygen supply, and so is suitable for use underwater, in high winds, etc. It should only be prepared in small amounts as needed due to its flammability.

Safety
The near-impossibility of smothering and high temperatures generated make thermite reactions potentially hazardous. Appropriate precautions must be taken before thermite is ignited. Thermite should not be used near flammable materials; small streams of molten iron released in the reaction can travel considerable distances and may melt through metal containers, ignite their contents, etc. Flammable metals with relatively low boiling points, such as zinc (which has a boiling point about 2500 °F below the temperature at which thermite burns) should be kept away from thermite, as contact with such metals could potentially boil superheated metal into the air where it could then violently burst into flame as it is exposed to oxygen. Thermite must be used with care in welding pipes or other items with air cavities, as thermal expansion of trapped gases may cause bursting. Generally, the ignition of thermite should be timed so that individuals handling it have ample time to get away. As with any pyrotechnic composition, thermite not to be used in a particular task should be kept far away from the site of ignition. When handled in a responsible manner by properly trained individuals, thermite can be reasonably safe.

Commercial & Industrial Uses

The violent effects of thermite demonstrated in the Utah desertThermite reactions have many uses. It was originally used for repair welding in-place such things as locomotive axle-frames where the repair can take place without removing the part from its installed location. Thermite can also be used for quickly cutting or welding metal such as rail tracks, without requiring complex or heavy equipment.

This type of reaction when used to purify the ores of some metals is called the Thermite process. An adaptation of the thermite reaction, used to obtain pure uranium, was developed as part of the Manhattan Project at Ames Laboratory under the direction of Frank Spedding. It is sometimes called the Ames process.

The thermite reaction can take place accidentally in industrial locations where abrasive grinding and cutting wheels are used with ferrous metals. Using aluminium in this situation produces an admixture of oxides which is capable of violent explosive reaction.

When thermite is made using iron (III) oxide, for maximum efficiency it should contain, by mass, 25.3% aluminium and 74.7% iron oxide. (This mixture is sold under the brand name Thermit as a heat source for welding.) The complete formula for the reaction using iron (III) oxide is as follows:

Fe2O3(s) + 2Al(s) → Al2O3(s) + 2Fe(s); �H = -851.5 kJ/mol
The formula for the reaction using iron (II,III) oxide:

3Fe3O4(s) + 8Al(s) → 4Al2O3(s) + 9Fe(s); �H = -3347.6 kJ/mol
The reaction using Fe3O4 produces a substantially larger amount of energy than the reaction using Fe2O3.

Thermite should not be confused with a thermal lance.

Military Uses
Thermite grenades are used as incendiary devices to quickly destroy items or equipment when there is imminent danger of them being captured by enemy forces. Because of the difficulty in igniting standard iron-thermite, plus the fact that it burns with practically no flame and has a small radius of action, standard thermite is rarely used on its own as an incendiary composition. It is more usually employed with other ingredients added to enhance its incendiary effects. Thermate-TH3 is a mixture of thermite and pyrotechnic additives which have been found to be superior to standard thermite for incendiary purposes. Its composition by weight is generally thermite 68.7%, barium nitrate 29.0%, sulphur 2.0% and binder 0.3%. Addition of barium nitrate to thermite increases its thermal effect, creates flame in burning and significantly reduces the ignition temperature. Although the primary purpose of Thermate-TH3 is as an incendiary, it will also weld metal surfaces together.

Thermite enables infantry to permanently disable artillery pieces without the use of explosive charges and therefore operate with a reasonable amount of stealth. There are two methods of disabling an artillery piece with thermite and both require that the barrel is elevated to a high angle. The best method is to open the breech of the weapon, insert an armed thermite grenade and then quickly close the breech. The molten thermite permanently welds the breech of the artillery piece shut, making it impossible to open and load the weapon. An alternative method is to insert an armed thermite grenade down the muzzle of the artillery piece, thereby allowing molten steel to weld itself to the inside of the rifled barrel. A partial barrel obstruction results, making it impossible to fire the artillery piece without the barrel bursting.

History
Thermite was invented in 1893 and patented in 1895 by German chemist Dr. Hans Goldschmidt, in consequence of which the reaction is sometimes called the "Goldschmidt reaction" or "Goldschmidt process". Dr. Goldschmidt was originally interested in producing high purity metals by avoiding the use of carbon in smelting, but soon realized the value in welding. The first commercial application was the welding of tram tracks in Essen, in 1899. Degussa, a corporate descendant of Goldschmidt's firm, is still today one of the world's largest producers of welding thermite.
Ray McGovern
McGovern was a Federal employee under seven U.S. presidents over 27 years and presented the morning intelligence briefings at the White House for many years.

McGovern was one of President Ronald Reagan's intelligence briefers from 1981-85 when he was in charge of preparing daily security briefs for the President, the Vice President, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Cabinet and National Security Advisor. Later, McGovern was one of several senior CIA analysts who prepared the President's Daily Brief (PDB) for President George Herbert Walker Bush.

Upon retirement, McGovern was awarded the Intelligence Commendation Medal from George Herbert Walker Bush (which he later returned, see below) and worked for Washington-based non-profits before becoming co-director of the Servant Leadership School in Washington.

McGovern has become an outspoken critic of the current Bush administration, and together with other former CIA employees, founded the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity or VIPS. The organization is dedicated to exposing what these former Intelligence professionals believe to be the mishandling of important intelligence, specifically relating to the War in Iraq.

With 15 other VIPS, McGovern participated in a protest of torture and returned his Intelligence Commendation Award medallion to Congressman Pete Hoekstra, R-MI, and Chair of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. He argued that he did "not wish to be associated, however remotely, with an agency engaged in torture," and that "this is an order of magnitude different from my experiences in the past � there has been torture before, but never before has it been ordered and openly justified."

He believes the CIA has bowed to pressure to alter its reports to suit the White House, and wants the agency to maintain accountability and adherence to the truth.

McGovern also believes that U.S. presidents have a history of manufacturing evidence in order to start wars. In a piece he co-authored with David MacMichael, McGovern accuses both Ronald Reagan (for supporting the Contras against the Sandinistas) and George H.W. Bush (for going to war in Iraq in 1991) misused or manufactured intelligence. [1]

McGovern has called for President Bush's impeachment. [2] He argued with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld after a speech in Atlanta, Georgia on May 4, 2006,[3] directly questioning the Secretary: "Why did you lie to get us into a war that was not necessary and that has caused these kinds of casualties? Why?"

CNS News quoted from McGovern's appearance on the Alex Jones radio show in 2005:

"We have to be careful, if somebody does this kind of provocation -- big violent explosions of some kind -- it could well be a provocation allowing them (the Bush administration) ... to get what they want," McGovern told host Alex Jones.[8]
McGovern notes CIA operations such as the Operation Ajax, Operation PBSUCCESS, the Gulf of Tonkin while stating his suspicions on the War on Terror.

He is one of 100 signatories to a petition "which calls for immediate public attention to unanswered questions that suggest that people within the current administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war." [9]

McGovern blames the war in Iraq on "O.I.L." In a television interview with Tucker Carlson on MSNBC, he explained: "I‘ve been using the acronym O.I.L. for many�for two years now: O for oil; I for Israel; and L for logistics, logistics being the permanent�now we say “enduring��military bases that the U.S. wants to keep in Iraq."[10]

LT. Col. Bob Bowman
Robert M. Bowman (born 1934) was the former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force in the Ford and Carter administrations, and a former United States Air Force Lieutenant Colonel with 101 combat missions. He holds a Ph.D. in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from the California Institute of Technology.

Despite his involvement with space programs and defense, he emerged as an early public critic of the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI, also aka "Star Wars") during the Ronald Reagan administration. On The MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour, he called it "the ultimate military lunacy, easily overwhelmed and vulnerable".[3] Bowman founded the Institute for Space and Security Studies, and its publication Space & Security News (1983) (ISSN 1071-2569), and authored two books on the subject of SDI. He is also a critic of an outgrowth of the SDI program, the Bush administration's proposed National Missile Defense.[4]

For several years he has been active with Veterans for Peace and Vietnam Veterans Against the War as a speaker.[5][6][7] He had also been a member of the Peace Commission of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington.[8]

In 1998, Project Censored cited Bowman's article "Our Continuing War Against Iraq," in the May 1998 issue of Space and Security News as one of the few (along with Bill Blum of the San Francisco Bay Guardian and Dennis Bernstein) covering what they deemed the fifth most censored story, "U.S. Weapons of Mass Destruction Linked to the Deaths of Half a Million Children."[9] The WMDs referred to are the biological samples sent to Iraq from the United States up to 1989, and use of depleted uranium during the Gulf War.

He is a member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, founded in January 2006 by James H. Fetzer. Because of the beliefs Bowman holds regarding U.S. complicity in the September 11, 2001 attacks, he is also part of the movement to impeach George W. Bush. He spoke at a September 11, 2005 rally in New York City held by members of the New York 9/11 Truth Movement.[10]

More recently, Dr. Bowman joined Veterans for 9/11 Truth.

WEBSTER GRIFFIN TARPLEY

The iconoclastic Webster Griffin Tarpley is an activist and historian best known for his George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography (1992), which has become an underground classic on the Internet at www.tarpley.net.
He co-authored American Leviathan: Administrative Fascism Under the Bush Regime (1991), which identified many tendencies which have become prominent today.

An expert on international terrorism with decades of experience, he directed the study Chi ha ucciso Aldo Moro? (Who Killed Aldo Moro?) which was commissioned by a member of the Italian government and published in Rome in 1978. [Aldo Moro was an ex-prime minister of Italy who was murdered by the "Red Brigades," who were ultimately found out to be a front for a fascistic state terror group.]

Against Oligarchy, a collection of Tarpley's essays and speeches, appeared on the Internet in 1996. He also wrote Surviving the Cataclysm (1999), an analysis of the world financial crisis. Parts of these works and all of the Unauthorized Biography can be viewed on the Internet, at www.tarpley.net.

Prof. Steven E. Jones
Steven Earl Jones is a professor of physics at Brigham Young University who conducts research in nuclear fusion and solar energy.

Although the term cold fusion was coined by Jones in the 1980s, [1], his experimental work was significantly different than the more controversial cold fusion experiments of Pons and Fleischmann.

Recently, Jones has also investigated the hypothesis that the World Trade Center Twin Towers and WTC 7, which all collapsed nearly symmetrically on September 11, 2001, were brought down by pre-positioned explosives.

In 1973, Jones earned his bachelors degree in physics, magna cum laude with honors, from Brigham Young University, and his PhD in physics from Vanderbilt University in 1978. Jones conducted his PhD research at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center from 1974 to 1977), and post-doctoral research at Cornell University and the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility.

Jones has written a paper regarding the September 11 terror attacks which has been accepted for publication in 9/11 And The American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, a volume edited by David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, and scheduled for publication in 2006 by Interlink Books. The most recent draft of Jones' paper is posted on his faculty website at BYU. In this treatise, Why Indeed did the WTC Buildings Collapse, Jones cites evidence he says supports the hypothesis that controlled demolition, rather than simply the impact of jet airliners and the ensuing fires, caused the Twin Towers and WTC 7 to collapse. WTC 7 was not hit by an airplane, but did receive some damage from the collapse of the towers.

Utilizing several published reports, Jones demonstrates that pools of molten steel and iron were discovered in the rubble of all three buildings, and says that the type of fires present were not hot enough to melt steel or iron. The physics professor also demonstrates (via still pictures and video clips) that all three buildings fell almost symmetrically, at near freefall speed, into their footprints. He maintains that this phenomenon is associated with 'controlled demolition,' and has been examined extensively by computer programmer and 9-11 researcher Jim Hoffman. He says that, among other evidence, the speeds of the collapses, the "pulverization of concrete to flour-like powder," and the presence of horizontal puffs of smoke observed ascending the side of WTC 7," are common when pre-positioned explosives are used to demolish buildings. Jones claims that some aspects of the buildings' collapses remain poorly understood and that the demolition hypothesis can quickly resolve much of the debate. A passage in his paper addresses this point:

"How do the upper floors fall so quickly, then, and still conserve momentum in the collapsing buildings? The contradiction is ignored by FEMA, NIST and 9-11 Commission reports where conservation of momentum and the fall times were not analyzed. The paradox is easily resolved by the explosive demolition hypothesis, whereby explosives quickly remove lower-floor material including steel support columns and allow near free-fall-speed collapses." (Harris, 2000).
Jones also examines the official reports by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (aka the 9/11 commission), which all conclude fires and damage alone caused complete demolition of all three buildings. A central topic within Jones essay is the contention that the condition and nature of the debris which remained following the buildings' collapses was not consistent with the scenarios documented by FEMA and NIST; in particular, along with the observations of molten metal at Ground Zero by Leslie Robertson (WTC structural engineer) and Dr. Allison Geyh (a public health investigator from Johns Hopkins), Jones cites and includes photographic evidence [3], which he says shows molten metal in the debris, and reports on sulfidation of structural steel.

As described in his November 10th interview with KUTV news, Jones "is not saying this is a proven theory, but rather a hypothesis. He wants a fresh new independent investigation."

William Rodriguez
William Rodriguez, is a native of Puerto Rico, a citizen of the United States, and a resident of the State of New Jersey. On September 11, 2001, and for approximately nineteen years prior thereto, Rodriguez was employed as a maintenance worker at the World Trade Center (WTC) in New York, New York.

On 9/11, Rodriguez single-handedly rescued fifteen (15) persons from the WTC, and as Rodriguez was the only person at the site with the master key to the North Tower stairwells, he bravely led firefighters up the stairwell, unlocking doors as they ascended, thereby aiding in the successful evacuation of unknown hundreds of those who survived. Rodriguez, at great risk to his own life, re-entered the Towers three times after the first, North Tower impact at about 8:46 A.M., and is believed to be the last person to exit the North Tower alive, surviving the building's collapse by diving beneath a fire truck. After receiving medical attention at the WTC site for his injuries, Rodriguez spent the rest of 9/11 aiding as a volunteer in the rescue efforts, and at dawn the following morning, was back at Ground Zero continuing his heroic efforts.

Deeply affected, as one might imagine, by his experiences of 9/11, Rodriguez has, in a variety of capacities and through several different organizations, worked ever since that terrible day to help others who were affected by the atrocities committed. He has continued to speak out against the forces that perpetrated the events of September 11th

DYLAN AVERY

Dylan Avery is the director and narrator of the documentary Loose Change, a film that questions the official version of the September 11, 2001 attacks.
The documentary presents a rebuttal to the official version of events during the September 11, 2001 attacks and the 9/11 Commission Report. It alleges that the attacks were not the result of terrorism but a series of cleverly executed events carried out by the US government.

The idea for the project was coined by Avery in May 2002 after a conversation with actor James Gandolfini in which Gandolfini told Avery "If you want to be a successful director, you have to have something to say to the world". Avery began writing a story in which he and his friends discover that the events of September 11, 2001 were not the result of terrorist attacks but rather, orchestrated by the US government.

Rowe, a former soldier who served in Afghanistan and Iraq joined the project in June 2005. Bermas also joined the team and together they released an updated second edition in November 2005.

The documentary has been released in two editions. The first was released in April 2005 with the second released in November 2005. The second edition is a remake of the original with added footage and information.

PROF. JAMES FETZER
Prof. James Fetzer founded Scholars for 9/11 Truth, a group of about 200 faculty, students, and scholars who question the official scientific account of the September 11, 2001 attacks. The group was founded on 15 December 2005.

The group believes that the investigations by FEMA and NIST regarding the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings are inadequate, and that crucial facts and question pertaining to the attacks have been ignored by senior government officials. These questions include: What caused building #7 to collapse? Where is the science that explains how all three WTC buildings collapsed close to the speed of gravity? Why was the vast majority of the evidence immediately discarded and/or is inaccessible to independent researchers? The group is petitioning congress for access to the remaining evidence in order for scientific research to be carried out to determine whether or not explosives were utilized to bring down the WTC buildings.

I dont know who you are, You dont know what youre talking about and you will make an excellent slave. Try checking out the facts supplied.

This hopefully is my last comment on the matter. I wish people like myself and Angus were wrong. However as we have appraised ourselves
of the facts and not spoon fed media dribble and goverment rhetoric none of which is based in any fact what so ever.

You who disagree, thats your right,you are wrong and you will be feeling pretty sorry for yourselves in the future. may I see your papers please.

Be that as it may, the last poster could not debate me in a month of Sunday's WHY? You would need to have opened your eyes at least once in the last 20 years.

Let those who have eyes see.

I am not a conspiracy buff, I am a man with a pile of true facts which show a conspiracy so large you have not the mental capability to comprehend understand the horror of it. The scale of it. So its denial for you first stage.

The Americans have killed 200 million people world wide in there history, basic history, so how can I debate any facts with you if you do not have a basic understanding of previous events.

We can start with the masacre of almost to the point of extinction the native American indians.
Indian massacres

In the long history of the English colonization of North America, the term "Indian massacre" was often used to describe mass killings of European-Americans ("whites") by Native Americans ("Indians"), and, less frequently, mass killings of American Indians by whites. In theory, massacre applied to the killing of civilian noncombatants or to the summary execution of prisoners-of-war. In practice, the label was often haphazardly applied, rarely without bias, and was sometimes used to describe an overwhelming (though lawful) military defeat. Similarly, massacres were sometimes mislabeled "battles" in an attempt to give legitimacy to what would today be considered a war crime.

Determining how many people died in these massacres overall is difficult. In the book The Wild Frontier: Atrocities during the American-Indian War from Jamestown Colony to Wounded Knee, amateur historian William M. Osborn sought to tally every recorded atrocity in the area that would eventually become the continental United States, from first contact (1511) to the closing of the frontier (1890), and determined that 9,156 people died from atrocities perpetrated by Native Americans, and 7,193 people died from atrocities perpetrated by whites. Osborn defines an atrocity as the murder, torture, or mutilation of civilians, the wounded and prisoners. Different definitions would obviously produce different totals. For example, Osborn does not count Indian deaths on the Trail of Tears (because these were allegedly unintentional), but he does count several episodes of post-mortem mutilation, even of combatants killed in open battle. Osborn's exact total of 16,349 killed on both sides can therefore be disputed.

List of massacres
A list of the larger or more notorious events in North America known as massacres:

Year Date Name
1622 March 22 Jamestown Massacre Powhatans kill three hundred and forty-seven English settlers throughout the Virginia colony.
1637 May 26 Mystic Massacre English colonists, with Mohegan and Narragansett allies, attack a large Pequot village on the Mystic River in what is now Connecticut, killing around five hundred villagers.
1690 February 8 French and Iroquois destroy Schenectady, New York, killing sixty settlers, including ten women and at least twelve children.
1704 February 29 Deerfield Massacre A force comprised of Abenaki, Kanienkehaka, Wyandot and Pocumtuck Indians, led by a small contingent of French-Canadian militia, sack the town of Deerfield, Massachusetts, killing fifty-six civilians and taking dozens more as captives.
1757 August Following the fall of Fort William Henry, between seventy and one hundred and eighty British and colonial prisoners are killed by Indian allies of the French.
1778 July 3 Wyoming Valley Massacre Following a battle with Patriot defenders of Forty Fort, Iroquois allies of the Loyalist forces hunt and kill those who flee, then torture those who surrendered to death.
August 31 Stockbridge Massacre A battle of the American Revolutionary War that rebel propaganda portrays as a massacre.
November 11 Cherry Valley Massacre More than thirty settlers killed.
1782 March 8 Gnadenhütten massacre Nearly one hundred non-combatant Christian Delaware (Lenape) Indians, mostly women and children, are killed one at a time by a hammer blow to the head by Pennsylvania militiamen.
1813 January 22 River Raisin Massacre Between thirty and sixty Kentucky militia killed after surrendering.
August 30 Fort Mims Massacre Following defeat at the Battle of Burnt Corn, a band of Red Sticks sack Fort Mims, Alabama, killing four hundred civilians and taking two hundred and fifty scalps. This action precipitates the Creek War.
1817 Spring Battle of Claremore Mound Cherokee Indians wipe out Osage Indians led by Chief Clermont at Claremore Mound, Indian Territory.
1818 April 22 Chehaw Affair U.S. troops attack a non-hostile village during the First Seminole War, killing an estimated ten to fifty men, women and children.
1832 May 20 Indian Creek Massacre Indians, mainly Potawatomi, kidnap two girls and kill fifteen men, women and children.
August 1-2 Battle of Bad Axe Around three hundred Indian men, women and children are slaughtered in Wisconsin by white soldiers.
1833 Spring Cutthroat Gap Massacre Osage Indians wipe out a Kiowa Indian village in Indian Territory.
1836 May 19 Fort Parker Massacre Six men killed by a mixed Indian group in Limestone County, Texas.
1838 October 5 Killough Massacre Indians massacre eighteen members and relatives of the Killough family in Texas.
1847 November 29 Whitman massacre The murder of missionaries Dr Marcus Whitman, Mrs Narcissa Whitman and twelve others at Walla Walla, Washington by Cayuse and Umatilla Indians, triggering the Cayuse War.
1854 August 17 Kaibai Creek Massacre Forty-two Winnemem Wintu men, women and children are killed by white settlers at Kaibai Creek, California.
1855 August 17 Grattan Massacre Twenty-nine U.S. soldiers killed by Brulé Lakota Sioux Indians in Nebraska Territory.
1860 February 26 Indian Island Massacre At least one hundred Wiyot Indians, mostly women and children, are slaughtered by white settlers in Humboldt County, California, during one of three simultaneous assaults on the Wiyot [1]
1862 Aug/Sep As many as eight hundred settlers killed during the Sioux Uprising.
October 24 Tonkawa Massacre Accompanied by Caddo allies, a detachment of irregular Union Indians, mainly Kickapoo, Delaware and Shawnee, attempt to destroy the Tonkawa tribe in Indian Territory. One hundred and fifty of three hundred and ninety Tonkawa survive.
1863 January 29 Bear River Massacre White settlers slaughter at least two hundred Indian men, women and children near Preston, Idaho.
April 19 Keyesville Massacre White settlers kill thirty-five Tehachapi men in Kern County, California [2].
1864 November 29 Sand Creek Massacre Militiamen slaughter at least one hundred and sixty Cheyenne Indians at Sand Creek, Colorado.
1866 December 21 Fetterman Massacre A compliment of eighty soldiers and two civilians sent to relieve a waggon train under attack from Oglala Sioux led by Crazy Horse are ambushed and annihilated near Fort Phil Kearny in Wyoming.
1867 July 2 Kidder Massacre Cheyenne and Sioux Indians ambush and kill a 2nd US Cavalry detachment of eleven men and Indian guide near Beaver Creek in Sherman County, Kansas [3].
1870 January 23 Marias Massacre White Americans slaughter one hundred and seventy-three Piegans, mainly women, children and the elderly.
1876 June 25 Battle of the Little Big Horn About two hundred fifty men of the US 7th Cavalry Regiment, under Lt. Col. George A. Custer, are annihilated in a battle against Sioux and Northern Cheyenne Indians[1].
1879 January 8 Northern Cheyenne under Dull Knife attempt to escape from confinment in Fort Robinson, Montana; about fifty survive.
1890 December 29 Wounded Knee Massacre Around three hundred Sioux men, women and children are killed by US soldiers at Wounded Knee, South Dakota.

Not forgetting. Dont state the the Americans could or have not done this. They are still the only country in the World who has nuked civilians.

Hear endeth the lesson

David, I hope you are not expecting me to list the name of every victim? I supplied one example within there own borders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Military_history_of_the_United_States_1900-1999

The biggest threat to the worlds peace is the Americans, every where they go there is death and destruction trouble is coming the Americans are enforcing there empire and expanding there lands.

The best thing that could happen is if the rest of the world forced
the Americans to leave all countries and get back apart from your embassys behind your own borders and stay there until you know how to behave. In history terms we have a group of juvenile leaders.

Going around attacking anyone who disagrees with them.

A matter of Law, Bush is acting way outside the law and without another event before the mid terms he will be impeached after November, unless another event triggers the suspension of the constitution and Martial Law before then.

Just for making a point.

The law states that before America can say that they are at war. A declaration of war has to be declared by congress. This has not been done. Bush has enacted about 700 dorment laws under war powers that he and his corrupt admistration are excuting. Ilegally. It is handy to have an invisable enemy. It will enable the US to continue with the world invasion on the pre-text of pre-emtive stikes against the alleged enemy. making us safer.

It was said once on the world stage.

"The world is a very dangerous place" Bush Senior. Yeah thanks to you and your military industrial compleax backers.

Remember the first gulf war. on the Murdoch properganda machine govement war news.

Iraq, terrible weapons, incredible weapons. No one asked how do you know. The answer would have been we checked the reciept. As soon as that cheque clears were going in.

Wake up or be a slave

Max

I'm not asking for the name of every victim, Max, I'm asking for any evidence, at all, that the US has killed anywhere near 200 million people. The wikipedia page you mentioned provides nothing of the sort.

A more helpful page might have been this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_casualties_by_country
WWII was by far the largest military offensive in US history. Let's assume that all 2.6 million Japanese casualties were caused by the US. Where were the other 197 million deaths?

Does being wrong by a factor of 100 million even bother you at all?

Tom, that was the rhetoric that was being generated by the US goverment spin doctors repeated ad-nauseum by the major media.
Certainly not my position.

I am not even going to get in to the WMD debate. The US, French, Brits etc knew what weapons he had as we sold them to him.

The US administration ignored all the evidence from the weapons inspectors as did the puppet corporate schill Blair.

Dont get me wrong, Saddam was an evil man put in power by the US.
armed and attacked when he said that he was going to sell his oil in Euro's as is being suggested by Iran, Nigeria,Chavez etc.

This causes a problem for the US. As they do very little trade with europe. To by Oil they would have to sell the Gold in the federal reserve. NO Euro's.

JP Morgan, Dupont, Remington, Rothchilds and the Rockerfellers familys among others Who own the fed reserve and the Gold, print the money and set interest rates. Are not about to hand over the gold when they can simply invade and generate more debt for the US gov.
Through the War dollar, the best thing for them is afterwards the world bank with the IMF etc will step in and take over the money for that country. New loans tied against mineral rights etc.

Get the picture?

Have IQ's dropped suddenly.

What a gloriously revealing post. So apparently the difference between 50 million and 200 million human beings killed is a matter of "semantics," not actual numbers of dead people.

50 million is still a vast overestimate, I'd guess by a factor of at least 5, and the great majority of deaths ever inflicted by the United States were military casualties. The website I linked to included civilian deaths in its estimate, which you would have noticed had you checked.

Where has anyone estimated the civilian death toll in Iraq at 500 000?

When you say "You understand the point I was making," I think I do. You were trying to say that the US has been a greater butcher than Hitler, Stalin and Mao put together. To make a claim like this, piles of bodies numbering in the hundreds of millions are fairly important material evidence, not rhetorical devices. What the actual numbers tend to reflect is the fact that the US was a major participant in most of the major twentieth century conflicts. Do you recognise a distinction between these two things? Are you beginning to see why you are completely lacking credibility about anything that requires consultation with facts?

But Max, you said 200 million. You're not even close.