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Religion and Politics: overlapping magisteria?
Stephen J Gould famously argued that science is not in conflict with religion because it answers a different kind of question. The two are non-overlapping magisteria. Science says nothing about the Trinity, and religion says nothing about the photoelectric effect. This view is not universal: Richard Dawkins argues in The God Delusion and elsewhere that science does speak about religious claims and says that they are false.
But does the concept of non-overlapping magisteria apply to religion and politics? Perhaps not historically, but since Catholic Emancipation, since Charles Bradlaugh was permitted to take his seat in the House of Commons as an atheist, we have enjoyed a happy situation where religion does not divide us politically, nor vice versa.
This is perhaps surprising. Religion and politics are both in the values business, most politicians are religious and are inspired by their faith to work through their politics. Why then aren't the Labour Party Catholic, the Conservatives Anglican, the Liberal Democrats non-conformist, the Greens Buddhist, Respect Muslim? Of course these influences do exist at least a little, but we have learned from bitter experience, from Cromwell the puritan, Northern Ireland, and elsewhere that it does not make for social cohesion or good politics for religious and political allegiances to coincide. We have instead a political culture that people of any faith and none can participate in equally. Or at least we aspire to that.
Is this culture beginning to break down? Does the principle that faith or lack of it should be no barrier to any office mean that there should be no objection to having a member of Opus Dei responsible for anti-discrimination policy? (Links: Mayor Watch, Lib Dem Voice, The Labour Humanist, Millennium Elephant)
Indeed. There should be no objection. My objection is to having an Opus Dei member who agrees with Opus Dei policy in charge of anti-discrimination policy. It should never be assumed that adherents to a faith agree with the political views of their faith leaders, even if those leaders insist that they must.
Religious neutrality is a tremendous asset of our political culture, and it would be madness to abandon it. But concern to maintain this neutrality has perhaps led us to tread too carefully when we should be standing up for our values.
We should not feel obliged to agree with people whose reasons for their political views are religious. If we do, we may find that more and more policy areas will find themselves under the religious banner, and more political debates will become one-sided. Where today it is faith schools and discrimination, tomorrow it will be scottish independence and trade policy.
Some will see this as bringing badly-needed values into politics. But this is missing the point - politics is already about values. We oppose discrimination because it is wrong. We support the health service because curing the sick is good. And politics is already a process by which different values compete. Join in, bring us your values and your arguments, but you are not doing anything different to the rest of us. And you will find people of every faith and none on both sides of just about every political question.
Gould's non-overlapping magisteria represented a desire to avoid a conflict between science and religion that Dawkins would rather not avoid.
Politics and religion overlap big time, and always have done. But when this overlapping is explicit, it can make us uncomfortable. We have avoided a conflict by experiencing that overlap in the minds of individuals, and not in the institutions of faith and politics. For this reason I am particularly wary of Ruthy Kelly's claims to be able to compartmentalise her political duties from her religious beliefs.

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I agree with you Joe. I don't think compartmentalisation can happen in a million years. However, it depends on the person and their religious views as to whether they are suited to a particular government role. (And I agree with your point about having someone in the equality role who agrees with Opus Dei policy is suspect territory - very precisely put).
However, this discussion is best had at the specific level rather than at the conceptual level.
I don't think anyone knows what Ruth Kelly's private pronouncements on the forthcoming equality bill are, do they. I think we should wait to hear her views before pronouncing on them. For example, one of the main specifics repeatedly mentioned is Catholic people running a "Catholic" boarding house. It is thought that the bill ought to outlaw such people refusing to allow gays or lesbians to share a room (I thoroughly agree). Are we really saying that such a law would be against Opus Dei's beliefs? Surely "Catholic" boarding houses are not sacred areas are they? It is not like gays or lesbians pitching a tent in front of Westminster Cathedral High Altar is it? And if such Catholic boarding house owners don't like allowing gays or lesbians to share a room then they have a choice. They can stop running a boarding house.
By the way, many straight men and women share rooms nowadays anyway - it can be business standard practice at "woods meetings" for example, to save money - single beds of course. So it is difficult to know how any law could differentiate properly between straight men and women sharing and gays/lesbians sharing.
All I am saying is that I would like to read about an otherwise fair and equal specific which Kelly is blocking or has blocked before judging her. I think that is fair and liberal.
I think that this is a really fascinating post. I'd like to speculate that religious and political affiliation have largely been divorced from each other since the 18th century because of the influence of the enlightenment, scientific rationalism but above all consumerism. I do find Ruth Kelly's membership of Opus Dei disturbing - just as I do membership of organisations like the Freemasons - but I don't think that religion in politics is going to make a comeback for the reasons outlined below. Ironically two of the major political parties and forces in the UK do have their historical roots to certain extent in religious affiliations: From Stewart Catholic to Royalist to Tory to Conservative is a chain that can loosely be followed back over the centuries, just as Protestant to Parliamentarian to Whig to Liberal can faintly be sketched out. However, in the modern day and age I'd say these roots are almost meaningless.
So why has religion in politics died out? Essentially I think it's because it suffered two intellectual assaults. The first came in the 19th century with the idea that phenomena in society could be explained by reason rather than myth. Faith in the outcome of events would no longer be necessary if the 'mysterious' forces in the world could be rationalised by scientific logic. The 'old' Labour Party grew out of a bedrock of these concepts. Secondly the idea that self actualisation, individual autonomy and possessions rather than piety, redemption and atonement are in fact the ultimate human aspirations. It's this second revolution in attitudes that's really put the nail in the coffin of traditional religion in politics. A lot is made of the fact that congregations at evangelical churches have expanded, but this too is nothing but a spin off of people casting around for an alternative lifestyle venue for self fulfillment until something better turns up - the congregations are very transient. I don't really see a serious return to religion in politics, even under the spurious cover of trying to reintroduce values. Words like 'Values' and 'Community' are great things, but involve an element of self denial which is also at the heart of religion and even organised politics. I'm not sure if society is ready for the implications of those ideas at present.
Here's a radical idea: religion isn't essentially about "values," about how to live or about how society should be organized. Religions essentially make ontological claims, claims about what there is--in particular, that there is a God, or gods or other supernatural beings. Such claims are no more morally loaded than claims about the existence of Platonic forms, numbers, or mountians on the other side of the moon. In addition, religion involves cult and myth--which are pleasant and harmless.
Most religious people don't say this, at least out loud, and most don't even admit it to themselves. But most believe it and act on it. So let's make it official. Then we can legitimately hold that the magisteria of science and religion don't overlap.
Religion at its core doesn't make empirical claims which could conflict with the claims of the empirical sciences. It has no ethical import that could be inconsistent with anyone's moral or political agendas. Religion in this minimalist sense is metaphysics, myth and cult.
This isn't what a relatively small group of conservative Christians believe, and it isn't what the majority of mainline Christians SAY they believe. But de facto this is what most Christians do believe. Christianity is: pretty churches and services, music and art, mythology, metaphysical speculation--and lots of fun. That's what it is for me. Do I take the moral claims seriously? Are you kidding? They're complete garbage.
You have got to be joking.
You are asserting that you know what Christians "really" believe in spite of what they may say or worse yet vote????
If you really do view your religion as merely an ontological view plus some fun songs and traditions, great, you are not the problem.
But you are the exception. Look no further than the US public rejection of evolution, or the recent overwhelming vote to ban gay marriage in several states and you'll realize that many if not most Christians are deriving their beliefs and values from the Bible.